Use the LRN and you will be good. Recently, well, a few months back, I loaded a thousand of the X-Treme 124gr PRN for my neighbor. Posted by David Blankenship on Aug 12th 2022. Works good in everything from my 1911 to Glock YMMV. Excellent pistol powder for accuracy and cowboy action shooting. I`m using 3.8 gr for the plated, and 4.2 gr for the JHP. It's accurate and reliable. Cowboy Action, Bullseye and Combat Shooters should love this one! If you can't find a properly developed published load for that combination, do yourself a favor: Call Hodgdon, and ask them for the specific load data. Im loading either 115gr or 125gr HP. Working and enjoying the outdoors were just a normal part of day to day life. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. I just loaded 1000 124 grain plated bullets with 4.2 grains of Titegroup. Better like this than some of the disasters I've seen where someone basically takes a wild guess at something. Skip this one, you can do better. TiteGroup is too fast burning to be a good universal powder. Although such an edge clearly exists, its significance cannot be quantified". All loads used Winchester Small Pistol primers. Same load just use the coal from another powders load. /wp-content/uploads/2016/08/HODGDON_LOGO_DARK.png, https://hodgdon.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/titegroup_1_lb.jpg. This is a good consistent and uniform powder, reloads easy and accurate. It's for practice, not for competition. ABOUT WALKER: Walker is 15 years old and has hunted from Africa to Hawaii, and several places in between, including the Yukon in Canada. Titegroup has it all low charge weight, burns clean, mild muzzle report and superb, uniform ballistics. After serving his country, George spent 20 years serving his community as a police officer. Hodgdon Titegroup: Quest for the Perfect 9mm Hand Load Part 10 This powder, like other very fast pistol powders, are not good for higher velocity ammunition and really only good for budget shooting ammo, competitions, or standard pressure ammo. In the last several years I have really focussed on the PRS, ELR, and NRL Hunter. The terrain in Southern Idaho often requires a hunter to be able to take shots at 400 yards and well beyond. Appreciate the input. You cannot paste images directly. It is our mission to encourage, organize, and support these efforts throughout Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming. I'll just try out 10-20 rds at min load and see how they go. The google sheet has been updated for those interested in the difference or who want to reference the sheet. . He volunteers as an alter sever at Mass on Sunday at church and is a member in the Civilian Airpatrol Program. In Brians first full season, he achieved several top ten finishes, two regional match wins, and a 20thplace overall finish in the National Rifle League. COAL are generally +/- 0.005" seated using Lee seating die. Max charge was 4.8 grains, so these should be fine. Hollow points may be shorter so COAL may vary some. 124g berrys over 3.9g of titegroup 1.149 OAL. Hope this helps some others develop some loads. You are using an out of date browser. By If you enjoy the forum please consider supporting it by signing up for aNES Membership The benefits pay for the membership many times over. I will be shooting mostly target at the range, 150-200 rounds per visit. Loading is always at your own risk. May 7, 2012 9mm 124 gr FMJ 1.15" COL 4.3 gr Titegroup (a little hot) When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Phillip is a 10-year Marine Corps veteran having served his whole career in the Scout Sniper community. Titegroup's unique design provides flawless ignition with all types of primers, including lead-free versions. This section shows you A LOT of information about 9 MM powders and how they compete against each other using the same brass, same bullet, same OAL, same primer, same gun, same day, same conditions..the only thing that is different is the powder. He retired from the North Kansas City Police Department after tours through Patrol Division and the K-9 Narcotics Unit, with additional duties as the Department Armorer, SRT Unit Sniper, and Range Officer/Instructor. Only time I used TG in 9mm it was 4.5grs. I have spent a lot of time perusing through the 9mm Reloading section and it seems that most folks who are using 124gr FMJ & JHP bullets with Titegroup are loading their cases with 4.0gr to 4.2gr of powder. After this I would consider most all of the load data above close enough to start load development with. They are calibrated at/for specified distances. Phillip Velayo currently serves as Gunwerks Long Range University Lead Instructor. with 125 Gr Blue Bullets. After looking at my previous set ups, the chrono was likely at about 7 feet, not 5. What is your favorite firearm to load for? Titegroup is what people generally buy when they are trying to make budget loads, and the general best Titegroup loads are between 3-4 grains of powder only, so you can load a lot of rounds with just 1 pound. He still serves the NKCPD as a Range Officer volunteer today. Each week the Schearer family will hunt with a variety of weapons from archery, muzzleloader and shotgun to centerfire rifles and will not only focus on the hunt, but will be filled with educational tips to make the viewers better sportsmen and sportswomen. The Lee second edition manual shows 115gr jacketed has 4.8gr max at 1.125 oal for 1158fps. Can't keep enough at the house. Tested 3.6-4.0 gr titegroup with berry's RN 124, col 1.150. Titegroup's unique design provides flawless ignition with all types of primers, including lead-free versions. I dont plan on stopping anytime soon and this year is scheduled to be as busy as any while shooting 4 different series. Phillip is also well known as a nationally ranked precision rifle competitor in the Precision Rifle Series and National Rifle League circuits. Titegroup is what people generally buy when they are trying to make budget loads, and the general best Titegroup loads are between 3-4 grains of powder only, so you can load a lot of rounds with just 1 pound. Berry's RN plated, 4.0gr Titegroup 1.143" OAL No issues running in STI Spartan, Glock 26,19,17 & 34 or my 9mm AR I put together with a NES YHM lower. 9 mm Luger - Published Manufacturer Loading Data. Phillip has attended all follow-on formal Scout Sniper courses, having graduated with honors and recognized as High Shooter from all. Obligatory start low and work your way upSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk, Went out and tested 4 more loads today (2 of the same load) and got extremely similar results. An avid outdoorsman, he enjoys hunting and fishing with his family and mentoring youth through his ministry service. I have been all over the internet looking for a good, sound load for my 9mm. 9mm Luger / 9mm Parabellum Ball-Type Handloads. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. After this I would consider most all of the load data above close enough to start load development with. The game hooked me, but I fell in love with the people! Since returning to competition on 2009, Dianna has earned a plethora of High Lady wins, including the 2013 and 2016 USPSA Ladies Open National Championship. Zach, a resident of McCook, Nebraska, started shooting trap and hunting when he was 10. As the name implies, this spherical propellant was designed for accuracy. I have loaded 38 spl with 5.4 grains with a 125g bullet. I'll be firing it through either the Glock 19 or 43. A devoted husband and father, Jake has formal degrees in sports medicine and youth ministry. I was intrigued with 3-Gun since, as a police officer, I relied on all three platforms at work. When you load this stuff, you better be focused on what you are doing, its not recommended for anyone that loads with many powders around, constantlys swapping powders. Reloading is a personal responsibility and you must start low and work up and NEVER ASSUME. He has over 35 years experience in shooting, with approximately 50 tons of projectiles downrange with the assistance of Hodgdon Powder. Paste as plain text instead, Although her family hobby was horse shows and barrel racing, her father introduced her to USPSA in high school. What's the difference between the Berry's plated bullets and FMJ? The loads highlighted in yellow are those that I found work best for me. When we say same bullet, same case, same primer, what we mean is each case/bullet/primer is weighed . His last three years of service were spent at the 1st Marine Division Scout Sniper School as the Primary Marksmanship Instructor. Hodgdon.com says 3.9-4.3gr for LRN. I've had no issues in sever thousand loads, other than having to adjust COAL a few thousandths one way or the other. I use 4.5 gns with Federal primers loaded to an OAL of 1.130. I'll be firing it through either the Glock 19 or 43. Nov 7, 2015. Early on, its pointy full-metal-jacket rounds gave the 9x19mm a reputation as a horrible antipersonnel round. He also placed second in the World Elk Calling competition. Current Oregon State Police Background Check Queue Status As Countdown To Measure 114 Vote Approaches. A top quality jacketed bullet is a top quality jacketed bullet. There simply isn't much load data for the super-heavy 9mm bullets. Thanks guys. An avid shooter and outdoorsman, George takes pride in the quality custom rifles that G.A. I am doing 3.7gr of Titegroup 124gr bullet. I am using CBI pistol powder. Here is what I have to work with and have used a combination of 3 books, 3 magazines, and self-reported loads from the interwebs. C.O.A.L. Makes an impression on you. If I don't like it, I will give it to my buddy After working up a lighter load for my daughter I ended up with 124 grain plated bullet and 4.4 grains of Titegroup. Shellholders: Lee #19 I'm a self confessed TG whore but 4.5 is a little warm for my liking I stay at the 4.3 range for a 115g FMJ. A consistent shooter, Regina has finished in the Top 20 routinely and in the Top 10 quite frequently in both the National Rifle League and Precision Rifle Series. Wyatt has won numerous elk calling competitions at the ISE Best of the West Elk Calling Competition. All I ever used was Bullseye powderlove it. http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/default.asp?Caliber=9%20mm&Weight=115&type=Handgun&Order=Powder&Source, http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/dm&Weight=115&type=Handgun&Order=Powder&Source, http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=566352. My M&P and G34 love the 115 and 124s, but the 147s won't group for crap in either gun with any load and I took it up to 3.9 which is pretty hot. We recommend that you use published lead load data from reputable sources. I am really enjoying reloading 45 ACP on my Lee classic loader. I've had good luck with 3.4gr of Titegroup with the 147fmj boolit. I used data for 115gr FMJ because I thought that's what the Berry's bullets were. Gaige Grosskreutz -- The Felon Shot By Kyle Rittenhouse. Not cast, but I have 4k 124gr Barry's plated over 4.0gr. Its no wonder so many people love this powder for their economical loads, its cheap AND accurate. And by comparison the Lyman 49th shows titegroup at 4.0gr to 4.5gr max for the same Hornady XTP bullet. It's for practice, not for competition. 4.2, 1.155 coal will work well. 1.100" Starting Load Grains 3.9 Your link has been automatically embedded. Diannas also won the 2015 NRA World Shooting Championship Ladies title. In her free time, she shoots in NRL22 club matches around the Kansas City area, where she lives with her husband Shane and where she works as a pharmacist. All but 2-3 of those are with handloadedammo. Todd is a competitive shooter and firearms instructor. I know a lot of USPSA shooters who use it for their 9mm minor loads. Used for my 9mm loads mostly. Does it make a difference? She remains the only female to take home overall wins in national level precision rifle competitions when she won the 2016 NorCal Tactical Bolt Rifle Challenge and 2018 K&M Kahles Precision Rifle Competition. Clear editor. I haven't shot any yet but it would be disappointing if I had to pull 150 bullets. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk. I have shot benchrest, F-Class, PRS, ELR, NRL hunter, and field matches. It is very aggravating not be able to find a load data for the particular bullet you'd like to use. A couple months later, Zach shot USAYESS competition in Grand Island. First reloading experience was disappointing until I learned the process and started making very consistent ammo. FYI, when you think about it..even the amount of crimp can/will/could affect things. Make an introduction to Jake and youll instantly receive a big grin and firm handshake. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. SUBSCRIBE TO OUR NEWSLETTER TO STAY UP ON THE LATEST. After starting a life and career in Tulsa, she pursued barrel racing until she found 3-Gun in 2009. They're mostly for use in an M11/9 submachinegun but they work fine in a S&W Shield also. In Pistols and Revolvers.. Looks like i will test some 4.0 and 4.2 as long as they stay below 1200. A forum community dedicated to Carolina firearm owners and enthusiasts. He harvested his first turkey and whitetail deer at age 5 and completed his turkey grand slam by age 11. For instance I use Montana Gold hollow points and consider them to be pretty much the same as Speer/Hornady. The largest difference was just over 1fps over a 10 shot average. I plan on using Titegroup since I have it for my 45ACP. and 8 lb. Wish i could find it again. My brother gave me some Titegroup. In just five years, he has earned an impressive shooting resume with consistent top finishes at national level events. By 2011, she sold her farm and all of her horses to focus on 3-Gun and the 2nd Amendment. If you don't mind my asking, where did your recipe come from? PF is between 130-135 depending on gun. Really..so, how would someone measure that? A plated bullet (Berry's, Rainier Ballistics) falls between the two. RN for about 10 years with excellent results in my Glocks and STI pistols. Except that is going to be huge high pressure and very dangerous. I tried to make it "view only", if for some reason it does not come across that way please don't edit the document and let me know so I can adjust it. Didn't see any Tightgroup on this chart but plenty others. Notes: Chronograph figures are for five rounds taken with the start screen at approximately 6 feet. Nam Vet, TiteGroup burns too fast for 9mm. Shooting steel plates or need to shoot fast? The bullets I have available are 124gr/125gr plated and jacketed and 147gr plated. Save Share. Would the hp OAL be the same as that of the RN? Dianna currently competes in the role of Captain for Team Benelli. I could manually measure amounts in the middle of the range, but I'd rather use the AutoDisk, which has cavities with volumes corresponding to the edges of the recommended range. 9mm has a rather consistent 115gr OAL. My conclusion is that a 115 gr. For 231 I used 4.3 gr @ 1.130" OAL. I use Titegroup in my sig p320. In 1999, George opened GA Precision after apprenticing with three gunsmiths. This is safe, yes? Ryan still has a passion for hunting, but 3-gun gives Ryan and wife Dianna the opportunity to travel together and compete with and against amazing people. Unlike pistol powders of the past, powder position in large cases (45 Colt, 357 Magnum and others) has virtually no effect on velocity and performance. I've been shooting 4.0 grains of Titegroup with Berry's 124gr. Starting at mid range up to max. The snubnosed .38 and .45 ACP handloads also turned in good results. For a newb, you are treading on very thin ice & IMO, haven't enough exp to determine if your load is "fine". He is also the past Editor of Blackpowder Guns and Hunting Magazine. Lee, Lyman, Hodgdon, Hornady, all sorts of manuals have data. I remember seeing something similar here long time back. That's why when I figured out that my previous loads were unsafe I called Berry's to get correct info. Does anyone have a link to somewhere with this info? Sowhat about Titegroup and what do some cases look like? With velocities at 1046 to 1119. I wonder why the difference. Some of these loads are over manufacturer recommended maximums, DO NOT COPY or try! There aint nothin like the smell of burnt gunpowder in the mornin. I am also using the Xtreme bullets. Every match Ive been to that chronic has the chrono set up at least 10 ft away. That will allow you to get a finer-tuned powder drop. Most manuals stop at 147 grains, though Hodgdon and Vihtavuori have data for 150 grain bullets. I am gonna give it a try. They are snappy, but fun to shoot. containers. I consider the type of bullet. Varget and H-4350 are the go to but since Ive been running some IMR Enduron powders that seem to work very good as well. Walkalong, that was my guess also, but there are other fast powders listed with 900fps and 950fps loads. BrianEnos.com Brian moved back to Idaho, where he completed his bachelors degree in Business Finance at Albertsons College of Idaho. Through shooting, Zach has met many people in the shooting community. Hailing from the Kansas City-area, Jaclyn is a rifle shooter specializing in precision rifle shooting. This is a capture from the Sierra load data with Titegroup starting at 1000fps. She has been named as a co-host on Shooting Gallery on the Outdoor Channel. Do not load above recommended manufacturer book maximums. HP and RN load data are practically interchangeable since you should be working up from the minimum anyways. 1.100 in. First for 9mm and now for 45ACP. I have found it to be very accurate, and prefer it over my power pistol loads. With my setup using the .32 orifice I get 3.5-3.6gr, .34 orifice 3.6-3.8gr and with the .37 orifice 4.1-4.2gr is dispensed. So you are saying you found data specificly for Berry's plated & TG? A longtime resident of Virginia, Todd competes in over 16 different shooting disciplines (to include USPSA, 3-Gun, Steel Challenge, IDPA, Olympic Rapid Fire, Shotgun Shooting Sports). Doubling that will come close to including practice rounds spent at his one-of-a-kind shooting range he built on the edge of the Snake River Canyon. Hell they even have chrono`s that mount right on the barrels of rifles these days. I didn't think I was moving that fast, I just didn't know that I couldn't use FMJ data for the Berry's bullets. I am about to load my first rounds and need some data. After looking at my previous set ups, the chrono was likely at about 7 feet, not 5. I sold off all except Titegroup. This is a new powder to me and I understand that it is a fast burn powder. I was happy at 4.0 gr in M&P 9 and Sig p938. Sponsored by many of the hunting industries leading manufacturers, he has conducted over a thousand hunting and fishing seminars across the United States and has hunted and fished extensively around the world. Unique - 4.6 gn - 1100 fps. In 2016, Phillip was nominated for Scout Sniper Instructor of the Year for his meticulous instruction that resulted in institutional changes in the training of Marine Scout Snipers in both formal schools and unit level training. Look at the large picture below, you can see, a normal load barely fills the case, its way down in there. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Since opening GA Precision, George has been building some of the finest precision bolt guns and custom rifles. I'm thinken a 124 cast over 4.0 of titegroup has anyone tried that. Starting load is 4.5gr for 1135fps. I have an old Lee maual, but it doesn't have any info on Titegroup. Quickly he was attending weekly, monthly, and annual shoots, which included Nebraska state, USAYESS, and many more. Still using same load years later and it's a good round. The largest difference was just over 1fps over a 10 shot average. Reply Quote. I thought one was supposed to be at least 10 feet away from the chronograph when measuring velocity. 2019 Alabama Precision Long Range Challenge 5th, 2021 Alabama Precision Long Range Classic 3rd. 125 gn bullets: Titegroup - 3.8 gn - 1100 fps. Shoots well, functions well and it is light enough. is 1.150" with Hornandy bullets. I have found charge weights that fall in the allowable range. The maxorder quantity of any powder SKU is, https://shop.hodgdon.com/sites/www/files/2022-04/2022-Hodgdon%20Spherical%20Pow. Brian spent three years in Spokane as a Zag until his baseball career was cut short by a tragic plane accident that took the lives of his parents and younger sister. punta cana airport covid testing, how many possible ipv6 addresses are there,